Wednesday, January 23, 2008

Go Away

My apologies for veering off on a couple of political posts lately, but it's been a long time since any politician, of any party, has pissed me off this much.


At 6:48 PM, Blogger JetAgeEric said...

WHAT?! Bill Clinton pisses you off more than George Bush?!

At 8:44 PM, Blogger Jumbo Slice said...

Amen brother. I'm right there with you.

At 10:59 PM, Blogger Steve said...

I hate GWB, but I expect to hate him. Clinton, in my eyes, has betrayed me (and other Dem. voters).

I can get into details another time, but the main reason for me comes down to voting rights. I traveled to Ohio in 2004 as part of the DNC's effort to have lawyers at polling places in important areas to make sure that people weren't denied the ability to vote. We took it very seriously, and were very concerned over reports of Republicans suppressing minority votes in 2000.

So, after all of that, to have the Clintons try to re-write the caucus rules in Nevada (6 months after they'd OK'ed them) merely because they didn't get the Culinary Union's endorsement...

It's disgusting, and shows that despite whatever rhetoric or substantive points these people make, at the end of the day they will (and have) jettisoned it all in the name of personal power.

If I'm offended by the Bushies and Rove doing things like this, how can I abide it in my own party?

At 11:10 AM, Blogger JetAgeEric said...

I get you, Steve. Having said that, I thought the rule rewright made sense, as it seemed to give preferential treatment. I agree that they should've objected 6 months ago but, the fact is, this is a competition and the candidates are playing to win. For example, Obama's distortions of Clinton's comments are irksome, but that's the way the game is played (plenty of distortions on both sides, just evening it out for this thread).

ONE of the reasons I'm not ready to dismiss the Clintons is that the Dems need a candidate who will pull a gun when the Repubs pull a knife; I'm not sure Obama has the stones or the will to take the hits and dish 'em out. I look forwrad to seeing how he handles some real political hardball.

I think all the talk of hope is wonderful, but I don't expect the Republicans to play nice as we approach'09, so I'm taking a pragmatic approach. Like I've said elsewhere, in my mind, it's not a debate it's a war.

Did you meet a Greg Bamford while working the Ohio polls?

OT: I just realized that Spoon's resurgence has been buiilt upon a revisitation of the Costello masterpiece "Get Happy."

At 2:43 PM, Blogger Steve said...

I know what you're saying, Eric. I suppose at heart I am an idealist, and someone who would like to see our political discourse in this country based on the substance of ideas and policies rather than ridiculous name-calling and mud-slinging.

Frankly, I agree with the position that Obama is taking serious heat for -- the Republicans ARE the only ones who have, as a unified party, presented significant new policy ideas over the last 20 years or so. I don't agree with most of them, but the fact is that most of the Democratic policy views of the last 20 years are either throwbacks to the 60's (or even the New Deal) or are "co-opted" from the Republicans (see Clinton's 1996 welfare reform).

I'd like to see us be able to transcend party labels and simply figure out what is best for the country. The only person I see in this race (until and unless Bloomberg enters) who will do that is Obama.

The minute I support Clinton, I give up on things ever changing. Maybe I'm naive to think they can change, but I'd rather be naive than play into the system we have right now.


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